When Jacinda Ardern stepped down from her role as Prime Minister of New Zealand in early 2023, saying she was burnt out and wasn’t able to do her job to the best of her ability anymore, it was surprising, not only because she is such a successful global leader, but the way she did it, with such humility, felt like a refreshing change. So how much harder is for women to stay at the top of their political game?   To have this discussion, Tony has called up someone he’s always got on with: Labour MP Jess Phillips. And to give us some context and background, he’s also invited Rainbow Murray, a Professor of Politics who researches politics and gender, into the studio.    Hosted by Tony Robinson @Tony_Robinson Featuring:   Jess Phillips, MP @jessphillips Member of Parliament for Birmingham Yardley since 2015. A member of the Labour Party, Jess has been Shadow Minister for Domestic Violence and Safeguarding in Keir Starmer's Opposition frontbench since 2020.   Rainbow Murray @rainbowmurray Professor of Politics at Queen Mary University of London. Rainbow is an expert on gender and politics and has published widely on topics including leadership, access to politics, and parliamentary representation, in the UK and comparatively.  Credits Series Producer: Melissa FitzGerald        Exec Producer: Dominic de Terville Cover Art: The Brightside   A Zinc Media Group production   Follow: Twitter: @cunningcastpod Instagram: @cunningcastpod YouTube   If you enjoyed my podcast, please leave us a rating or review. Thank you, Love Tony x Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.