Barrett and Jon are by no means big wave surfers (though they enjoy surfing on occasion), but they both know what it is like to get in over your head and be held down for what seems like an eternity.  Rather than see life’s overwhelming challenges as unfortunate, unnecessary or bad luck, Barrett and Jon talk about what it means to experience difficult times as a rite of passage and how enduring two wave hold downs of our own can led to a more meaningful and richer experience of life.