We Want Them Infected Podcast Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent

Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore the concerns around vaccine myocarditis in children, emphasizing the rarity and mild nature of this side effect in the context of broader COVID-19 impacts. 
They provide a detailed analysis of the incidence and severity of COVID-19 among different age groups, underlining the disproportionate effects on black and Hispanic children. 
The hosts critically examine the statistical representation of COVID-related deaths and hospitalizations, shedding light on underestimation and overestimation issues. By comparing the effects of the disease and the side effects of the vaccine, they argue for the importance of vaccination, supported by numerous studies indicating lower risks of severe outcomes from vaccination compared to infection. 
The episode serves as an informative session on making informed health decisions based on scientific evidence.
  List of Resources: CDC Reports and Investigations: Examination of COVID death certificates and hospitalization rates during the pandemic.
"Real World Analysis: COVID-19 vaccine is strongly effective for children and adolescents during Delta and Omicron": Published study from the University of Pennsylvania, highlighting vaccine effectiveness.
"IL-1RA antibodies in myocarditis after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination": Study from the New England Journal of Medicine, focusing on diagnostic criteria and outcomes
"Medical Conservatives: a high rate of COVID myocarditis is 'good news'; a low rate of vaccine myocarditis is 'deeply concerning'": Article by Jonathan Howard on science-based medicine, addressing misconceptions and providing extensive references on the topic.
American Heart Association and American Academy of Pediatrics Statements: Official responses to the vaccine myocarditis data, emphasizing its rarity and mild impact compared to COVID-19.
 
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This episode of "We Want Them Infected" features a critical examination of the role and challenges of randomized controlled trials (RCTs) in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic. Hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orange discuss how the pandemic has tested the limits of RCTs, which are often considered the gold standard in medical research. They address the ethical concerns that arise when implementing RCTs during a crisis, such as the risk to participants and the feasibility of obtaining informed consent under emergency conditions.
Jonathan shares his experience participating in an RCT for the AstraZeneca vaccine, highlighting both the personal commitment involved and the broader implications of such trials. The conversation also touches on the practical challenges faced by medical teams during the pandemic, including resource limitations and the psychological toll on healthcare workers.
The hosts critique the weaponization of RCT rhetoric to undermine public health measures, discussing specific cases where RCTs were demanded as the only valid proof of effectiveness, despite the urgent need for timely action. They emphasize the importance of balancing scientific rigor with ethical responsibility and practicality, advocating for adaptive research methods that can respond to the dynamic nature of a global health emergency.
 
List of Resources: Journal Articles on RCTs - Research papers that discuss the methodology, outcomes, and ethical considerations of randomized controlled trials.
COVID-19 Studies - A collection of published studies specifically related to COVID-19 treatments and vaccine trials.
Ethics in Medical Research - Books and articles that explore ethical dilemmas in conducting medical research during pandemics.
History of RCTs - Publications detailing the development and evolution of randomized controlled trials in medical science.
Public Health Policy During Pandemics - Resources that examine the intersection of public health policy, research methodology, and crisis management.



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The focus of today’s episode turned to Dr. Vinay Prasad, a once-distinguished oncologist who has become a leading advocate for the controversial pro-infection movement. Hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent criticized Prasad's shift towards advocating for natural COVID-19 infection over vaccination in children, an approach they argue is both unethical and scientifically unfounded.
The discussion highlighted Prasad's journey from a reputable medical expert to a figure promoting potentially harmful public health strategies. By tracing his public statements and writings, the hosts illustrated how his views have evolved, seemingly influenced by anti-vaccine rhetoric and the misinterpretation of scientific data. They pointed out the contradiction between Prasad's earlier professional achievements and his current advocacy, which includes supporting exposure to COVID-19 in children as a means to achieve herd immunity.
The episode also touched on the broader implications of promoting such ideas, particularly the risk they pose to pediatric health and the potential erosion of public trust in vaccinations and established medical guidance. The hosts argued that this approach could lead to increased susceptibility to preventable diseases, not just for individuals but for public health at large.
This stark transformation in Prasad's professional stance serves as a cautionary tale about the influence of misinformation in medicine and the delicate balance required in public health policy. As the debate over natural immunity versus vaccination continues, the episode underscores the importance of grounding public health strategies in robust scientific evidence and ethical considerations.
  List of Resources Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC): Updates on COVID-19 vaccinations and health guidelines.
World Health Organization (WHO): Information on global health standards and COVID-19 response.
Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Resource Center: Real-time data and expert analysis on COVID-19 trends.
National Institutes of Health (NIH): Research and guidelines on COVID-19 and vaccinations.
Peer-reviewed medical journals (such as The Lancet, New England Journal of Medicine): Research articles on COVID-19, vaccinations, and public health policy.
Books on epidemiology and public health policy: For comprehensive understanding and historical context on pandemics and health strategies.
Science Based Medicine: Critical analysis of medical treatments, including debates on vaccination and natural immunity.



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Dr. Jonathan Howard delves into the controversial tenure of Dr. Scott Atlas as President Trump's coronavirus advisor. Atlas, who lacked a background in infectious diseases, was a proponent of achieving herd immunity by allowing the virus to spread among low-risk populations—a strategy considered dangerous by many health experts.
The podcast critiques Atlas's approach, which ignored the potential for severe consequences across all age groups and disproportionately impacted vulnerable populations. Howard points out that Atlas's policies were not grounded in solid scientific consensus but were instead influenced by a misinterpretation of herd immunity concepts. The episode also touches on the real-world outcomes of these policies, such as increased COVID-19 cases and deaths that could have been mitigated with more prudent measures.
Additionally, Howard highlights the shift in public discourse as some supporters of Atlas's strategies attempt to reframe their past positions to appear more sympathetic towards children's education rather than admitting to their original intentions of using young people as a means to an end.
This analysis is critical not just of Atlas but of the broader administration's handling of the pandemic, suggesting that a more measured, scientifically sound approach could have saved countless lives.




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The conversation scrutinizes the advocacy for herd immunity as a response to COVID-19, highlighting the ethical and practical issues with targeting unvaccinated children and young adults for infection. It explores the aftermath of the Great Barrington Declaration, including minimized concerns for COVID-19 variants and opposition to vaccinations for children. 
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent also address the negative repercussions on healthcare services and education, underscoring the dissonance between initial pandemic strategies and subsequent reassessments of those approaches. 
The hosts emphasize the importance of reflecting on the pandemic's handling to understand the implications of decision-making during health crises.
 
List of Resources: Great Barrington Declaration - An open letter advocating for a herd immunity approach to handling the COVID-19 pandemic.
CDC Reports - Documents detailing the impact of COVID-19 on healthcare systems and the effectiveness of vaccines.
Science-Based Medicine Articles - Analyses critiquing the scientific basis and implications of pandemic policies.
Interviews with Dr. Scott Atlas - Various media appearances where Dr. Atlas discusses his views on COVID-19 management.
House Sub-Select Committee Report - "The Atlas Dogma" report, evaluating Dr. Atlas's influence on the U.S. pandemic response.



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Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent engage in a comprehensive critique of the movement advocating for herd immunity through natural infection among unvaccinated populations. They dissect the flawed arguments presented in early pandemic responses, highlighting Dr. Jay Bhattacharya's controversial statements and the backlash from the scientific community. The episode critically analyzes the Great Barrington Declaration, its implications, and its failure to address the complexities of COVID-19 management effectively. Through their discussion, Howard and Orant explore the broader consequences of misinformation and the ethical considerations in public health strategies, emphasizing the importance of vaccination and accurate scientific communication.
 
List of Resources Great Barrington Declaration: A controversial statement advocating for focused protection and herd immunity through natural infection. Dr. Jay Bhattacharya's Writings: Articles and tweets from Dr. Bhattacharya offering a perspective on COVID-19's fatality rate and management strategies. COVID-19 Vaccine Studies: Research on the efficacy and importance of vaccination, especially in preventing severe outcomes among vulnerable populations. Public Health Response Critiques: Analyses and critiques of the various public health responses to the COVID-19 pandemic, including the effectiveness of lockdowns, mask mandates, and vaccination campaigns. Ethical Considerations in Pandemic Management: Discussions on the ethical dilemmas faced by public health officials and the general public during the COVID-19 pandemic.


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