In honour of RUOK Day, our newest episode on The Callover features two special guests who offer their insights into how to manage our mental health to ensure we can sustain a long and fulfilling legal career.  Retired Magistrate David Heilpern AM, who served in the New South Wales local court from 1998 to 2020 is our first guest. In 2017 when he delivered a lecture entitled, “Lifting the judicial veil - vicarious trauma, PTSD and the judiciary”, it was one of the first times that a sitting judicial officer had expressed such frank reflections, publicly, on the impact that their work had on their mental health. It inspired many within the profession to begin honest conversations about mental health. Then we hear from Melissa Sadlo, a psychologist who works with LawCare, about when and how to ask a friend, colleague or yourself, RUOK?  Special thanks must go to Zoe Navarro, Ella Thomas, Rebecca Murray, Eve Anderson, Geoff McLeod, for their contributions to the production of this episode. To read a transcript of this episode: https://www.qls.com.au/Membership/The-Hub/Podcasts   To read David’s full paper: https://www.judcom.nsw.gov.au/publications/benchbks/judicial_officers/lifting_the_judicial_veil.html To find Melissa: https://au.linkedin.com/in/melissa-s-74913784?trk=people-guest_people_search-card To find Georgia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a To find more content for young lawyers, visit The Hub: https://www.qls.com.au/Membership/The-Hub To contact the Future Leaders Committee email: [email protected] See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.