This week I am welcoming artist, diviner, and fellow podcast host, J M Hamade, on the air to do something new and fun, wherein we have recorded two interviews as offerings to the public by means of a little episode exchange. In this particular SaturnVox conversation, Jay and I discuss magic and astrology as seen through an aesthetic lens, as well as the ontological implications of mythos building and the ways in which we structure our Wellspring of Imagination. What makes the artist and the magician such similar company? What is significant about studying planetary myths where the traditional western style of mythos is challenged? In what ways might our ability as magicians to effect change in the world transform if we allow the imaginal to proceed and thereby inform the material? How does environment influence mythos and in what ways does it affect change onto our perspective of things otherwise assumed to maintain a fixed quality? All this and more, wordsmithed with intelligence and elegance by my new friend Jay, on this week’s episode of SaturnVox. Once you have finished listening to the episode, don’t forget to head over to Jay’s podcast @starnightdwell for more conversations on star lore, divination, aesthetics, and much more from myself as well as Jay’s other awe inspiring guests. To follow Jay and his work, please check out his podcast on any popular podcasting platforms. You can find the book they helped translate and illustrate with Dr. Amina Inloes, the Shams al-Ma’arif, through Revelore Press here. Finally, don’t forget to check out all their class offerings and previous publications by visiting their website, here. To find more on SaturnVox, check out their instagram and twitter @saturnvox, or, visit their website saturnvox.com.  If you want to support the show towards goals of better equipment, merch, and bonus material, please check out the Patreon at www.patreon.com/saturnvox. Original music by Jules M. Dooley, traditional astrologer and sound artist. Follow his experiments with astrology + sound + ai visuals on IG: @glitches_in_the_night_sky SHOW NOTES Stalker directed by Andrey Tarkovsky Weird Studies Podcast Episode 74 - A Luminous Parasite: Jung on Art, Part Two