“We need the majority to bring change” Dr Sally Penni MBE is a barrister, an author and a podcaster, who works tirelessly towards improving diversity in the legal profession.  She’s the Joint Vice Chair of the Association of Women Barristers and the founder of Women in the Law UK, a networking organisation that provides members with support, events and resources.  Hosts Peter Jackson and Joanne Radcliff from Hill Dickinson hear how Sally uses humour as a way to counter racism and bias, and how she turns negative experiences into positive change.   They discuss the best ways to overcome barriers to career progression; the importance of having a healthy relationship between work and wellbeing and how Sally’s drive to learn has motivated her throughout her career.   This episode is an exploration of resilience, leadership, and the pursuit of justice.