In a country with 55% of the youth unemployed, the pandemic was simultaneously a threat and an opportunity. The Presidential Employment Stimulus (PES) of South Africa encompassed several programmes to create and protect jobs against the effects of closures and lockdowns. One of those programmes employed as many ass 300.000 youth as social workers in school in South Africa and continues to expand. In this episode we received Dr. Kate Philip, lead of the PES . Dr. Philip the programmes in the stimulus, discusses how social employment can be leveraged at scale to solve simultaneously the problem of youth unemployment and other social challenges. The idea for this episode was by Dr. Philip, it was produced by Vitor Tomaz and edited by Paul Austin.