With its intricate layers of international, federal, and state protections, environmental law is more established than animal law. In this podcast episode, Glenda Valdez, a recent graduate of Lewis & Clark Law School, interviews Professor Randall Abate, Assistant Dean for Environmental Studies and a Professorial Lecturer in Law at The George Washington University Law School, about the experiences of these two fields and how they can work together to secure mutual gains. Professor Abate has a distinguished background teaching, writing, and mentoring students for three decades on domestic and international environmental law and animal law topics. He has published six books on these issues, with a recent emphasis on climate justice for vulnerable populations of humans and nonhumans. His latest book is titled What Can Animal Law Learn From Environmental Law? (Environmental Law Institute Press, 2d ed., 2020).