In this episode, they dive deep into the evolving landscape of cloud infrastructure and developer experience. Join our host, Warren and Will and Eli Ben Israel—former AWS and Microsoft engineer and co-founder of Wing—as they explore the challenges and innovations in DevOps. In this episode, Eli shares pivotal insights from his journey at Amazon, revealing that despite advanced tools like CDK, building on the cloud remains fraught with difficulties. They dissect the cognitive barriers developers face in understanding cloud mechanics and the need for greater access and autonomy in cloud development. Discover the transformative potential of the Wing project, designed to abstract cloud complexities and enhance developer productivity by providing a seamless, cloud-agnostic platform. They also touch upon the importance of good API design, the intriguing philosophy behind Kubernetes, and how projects like Wing promise to simplify and scale cloud development. As they navigate through infrastructure challenges, community building in open-source projects, and the shift from Slack to Discord, this episode promises a wealth of knowledge for both seasoned DevOps professionals and curious newcomers. Stay tuned for technical insights, book recommendations, and a journey through the future of cloud development on **Top End Devs**! Socials  LinkedIn: Elad Ben-Israel Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/adventures-in-devops--6102036/support.