Lieven Penninc, founder of planar optics modeling software developer PlanOpSim, offers perspective on the meta-optics technology boom. Sam Rubin, CEO of LightPath Technologies, picks up the conversation from our previous episode on chalcogenide glasses, alternate optical materials, and applications — especially those in the infrared. "All Things Photonics"® is produced by Photonics Media and airs biweekly, on Tuesdays. Sponsored by:PolyScience –  www.PolyScience.com Thorlabs Inc. –  www.Thorlabs.comAvantes –  www.Avantes.comLightPath Technologies Inc. –  www.LightPath.com