The Happy, Jen Horn and Katie Gorka, welcome author Gretchen Wollert, who discusses her journey from farmer to historian and her exploration of the parallels between Donald Trump and Abraham Lincoln. The conversation delves into the similarities in their leadership styles, personal backgrounds, and the challenges they faced. Gretchen also discusses the need for strong leadership in today's divided nation. Support the show: https://www.sebgorka.com/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.