Is it possible to be an 'ex-jihadi'?  How would we know?  What about state-run efforts at 'de-radicalisation'?  Borealis has a fascinating conversation with Jesse Morton, often described as the #1 Al Qaeda recruiter in the US  in the mid 2000s and now very much involved in undermining Islamist terrorism. Jesse Morton was once a jihadist propagandist (then known as Younes Abdullah Muhammad) who ran Revolution Muslim, a New York City-based organization active in the 2000s that connected Muslims in the west to al-Qaeda’s ideology, creating English language propaganda and collaborating with the most notorious jihadist preachers of that era. Find out more about my guest Jesse. Phil is the President and CEO of Borealis Threat and Risk Consulting Ltd. and Programme Director for the Security, Economics and Technology (SET) hub at the University of Ottawa’s Professional Development Institute (PDI). He worked as a senior strategic analyst at CSIS (Canadian Security Intelligence Service) from 2001-2015, specializing in violent Islamist-inspired homegrown terrorism and radicalisation. ►Check Phil's latest book ''The Peaceable Kingdom'' - https://borealisthreatandrisk.com/the-peaceable-kingdom/ ►Website - https://borealisthreatandrisk.com/ ►Twitter - https://twitter.com/borealissaves ►LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/phil-gurski-8942468/ ►Email - [email protected]