David Burns and Sam Spurr, co-directors of N, moderate a conversation with special guest Urtzi Grau, Principal of Fake Industries Architectural Agonism, that considers the intersection of art, architecture and public art. N is a curatorial collective founded in 2010 by David Burns, Sam Spurr, and Adrian Lahoud. Recorded at Sherman Contemporary Art Foundation (SCAF), 16 September 2014, in association with SCAF Project 20, AR-MA: Trifolium.