The old mantra that humans are the weakest link in cybersecurity should be discarded, according to George Finney. Listen in as we talk to him about why he thinks so, and why he chose to draw from sciences like psychology, neuroscience, history, and economics for his first book Well Aware. We also had George define Zero Trust and talk about his new book Project Zero Trust, which he co-authored with John Kindervag, the “father” of Zero Trust. Learn about: 👉 Drawing from the sciences for cybersecurity 👉 The research on social engineering for the book Well Aware 👉 The book that social engineers live by, and the Defenders’ playbook 👉 Key lessons from a phishing exercise 👉 How do we effect behavior change with humans? 👉 Rewards vs punishments in effecting behavioral change 👉 What is Zero Trust? 👉 Who or what is the Zero Trust strategy for? 👉 The very first step of all of Zero Trust 👉 Getting people to understand their role in Zero Trust The Ask A CISO podcast is a production of Horangi Cyber Security, Asia's leading cloud security provider. The show is hosted weekly by cofounder and CEO, Paul Hadjy. -- Show Notes and Transcript -- https://www.horangi.com/blog/project-zero-trust -- About Horangi Cybersecurity -- More information about the Ask A CISO podcast: https://www.horangi.com/resources/ask-a-ciso-podcast About Horangi Cyber Security: https://www.horangi.com --- About the Guest -- George's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgefinney/ -- Attributions -- Ending Music: “I Dunno” by Grapes http://ccmixter.org/files/grapes/16626 Creative Commons — Attribution 3.0 Unported— CC BY 3.0 Free Download / Stream: https://bit.ly/i-dunno-grapes Music promoted by Audio Library https://youtu.be/sNAE8-mB5lQWe