Alessandro Vincentelli in conversation with Filipa Ramos, curator of the exhibition Animalesque: Art Across Species and Beings. 14 November 2019. The podcast begins and ends with recordings made by Chris Watson from his 1998 work Outside the Circle of Fire, which he revisited for this exhibition. First we hear a Hippopotamus emerging from the River Mara; Masai Mara, Kenya and to end the podcast we hear Mozambique nightjar; banks of the River Zambezi, Zimbabwe. Courtesy the artist.