WHEREIN WE PURSUE THE ANTI-STYLE OF (THE) INDEX FURTHER INTO THIS SOMEWHERE BY NOT GOING THERE, POINTING OUT ALONG THE WAY THAT IF YOU CLIMBED A ROUTE YOU NEVER DID BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO -- With Jon Nelson!  1:49 - climbing role models, indication, presence, uniqueness of Index Town Walls 5:47 - climbing and deixis, throwing pebbles anecdote, proprioceptive ground 8:51 - local vs. universal markers, immersed perspective 10:30 - language as medium of climbing, meaning of 'ascent' 13:39 - Jon Nelson, the name Index, allure of the place, the quarry and fifth force tunnel 21:45 - climbing and physics, math; climbing as problem, proof, demonstration 26:28 - Jon Nelson's climbing style, hardcore, anti-style 29:57 - Jon's style in relation to the essential negativity of the This, the problem of being, the event of language (via Agamben) 32:39 - honesty in climbing vs. conquest/achievement 33.20 - indexicalism, process, situatedness (see Hilan Bensusan) 33:39 - on naming, Jon's theory of route naming, Index names 38:52 - Jon's route development in Japan 39:43 - Kuniyoshi Kataoka's research into climbing language and deixis 42:25 - continuum of climbing and deixis in the social gestural 'language' of reading/scoping routes 46:08 - succeeding by failing 48:20 - wanting the climb vs. wanted to have done the climb 50:43 - the preference for putting up new routes 52:06 - first descent style 53:28 - The Alpinist movie and going where you are not supposed to 55:04 - experimentalism and (non)escape of facticity, I-me chain of being 56:26 - creating something, example of Mike Massey and Zoom 57:52 - route as gift of unique experience, non-consumable currencies, subculture 59:57 - Gunnar Karlson on the beauty of a climb vis-a-vis proprioception, the intersubjective world of climbing 1:01:35 - like a giant oil painting laid on the landscape, climb as artwork, quote from Gadamer's Relevance of the Beautiful 1:02:57 - name as index of that auto-deictic dimension of the route 1:04:04 - Black Sabbath on the Diamond 1:05:07 - relations between climbing and music 1:10:56 - a way of trying to make climbing not become like any other activity 1:13:36 - climbing and mystical potentiality (doing what you can't do by not doing it) 1:15:06 - surprised by still not falling off the hub of the universe  “[T]he significance of the This is, in reality, a Not-this that it contains; that is, an essential negativity. . . . The problem of being—the supreme metaphysical problem—emerges from the very beginning as inseparable from the problem of the significance of the demonstrative pronoun, and for this reason it is always already connected with the field of indication . . . Deixis, or indication . . . is the category within which language refers to its own taking place.” (Giorgio Agamben, Language and Death)  “43. Why indices rather than characters, signs, distinctive markings? Because the body escapes, is never sure, lets its presence be suspected but not identified. It could always just be part of another, bigger body that we take to be its house, its car or its horse, its ass or its mattress. It could be nothing more than the double of that tiny, vaporous other body that we call its soul and that escapes through its mouth when it dies. All we have at our disposal are indications, traces, imprints, and vestiges.” (Jean-Luc Nancy, 58 Indices on the Body)  “In every Instant being begins; around every Here rolls the ball There. The middle is everywhere. Crooked is the path of eternity.” (Nietzsche, Zarathustra)  Adjacent routes:  Hilan Bensusan, Indexicalism and the Metaphysics of Paradox.  Kuniyoshi Kataoka, "Co-Construction of a Mental Map in Spatial Discourse: A Case of Japanese Rock Climbers' Use of Deictic Verbs of Motion."  See also: Climbing - Philosophy for Everyone: Because It's There. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/climbingtheory/support