In this episode, Ludwig from Sorella Labs and Muto from Ethos, two AVS builders, join to discuss the potential of restaked ETH and attributable security to revolutionize DeFi. They dive into how AVSs offer a scalable alternative to rollups by leveraging restaking to enable customizable off-chain execution while preserving the benefits of shared L1 liquidity. The discussion covers topics like preconfirmations, MEV, quorum design, costs of security, and Eigen Layer's role in enabling this new design space. Ludwig and Muto provide insights into how AVSs will unlock powerful new applications and impact the future of crypto. Thanks for tuning in! -- Follow Ludwig: https://x.com/0xvanbeethoven Follow Muto: https://x.com/0xMuto Follow Myles: https://x.com/MylesOneil Follow Mike: https://x.com/MikeIppolito_ Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3R1D1D9 Subscribe on Apple: https://apple.co/3pQTfmD Subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3cpKZXH- - -- Sei Labs believes the EVM is here to stay. By providing the fastest time to finality of any chain, thousands of transactions per second and full backwards compatibility with the EVM, Ethereum developers can try out a brand new design space for their applications. Try out sei v2 devnet - visit the new sei.io to find out more -- Kinto is the Safety-first L2 designed to accelerate the transition to an on-chain financial system. If you believe in this on-chain financial system, join Kinto's launch program (Engen) and become a founding member at engen.kinto.xyz - - Timestamps: (0:00) Introduction (2:52) AVS Demand Side (15:14) Unlocking a New Design Space with Restaking (23:34) Sei Ad (24:34) Kinto Ad (25:28) Ethereum Alignment (31:24) AVS Branding (37:57) Quorum Design (45:58) Using an AVS vs a Rollup (52:10) AVS Costs (1:03:33) How AVS' Will Impact Applications (1:13:25) Interview Reflection - - Disclaimer: Nothing said on Bell Curve is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Mike, Jason, Michael, Vance and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.