When I first came across Karen O'Brien's 2021 book early last year, I was immediately drawn to it. Both title and subtitle - You Matter More Than You Think, Quantum Social Change for a Thriving World - called to me, having been exploring the sourcing from quantum theory in Carol Sanford's approaches and recognising the systemic nature of change need to shift paradigms and move us towards holistically better worlds. Not only are the words intriguing and enticing, the incredibly beautiful and meaningful illustrations of artist Tone Bjordam both enliven and deepen my experience of being with the book and exploring the journey Karen invites you to take in. If you've not come across Karen as yet, she is a Professor of Sociology & Human Geography at the University of Oslo, Norway. She is co-Founder of cChange, an organisation supporting transformation in a changing climate. She has participated in 4 UN IPCC reports and, as part of the IPCC, was a co-recipient of the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize. She was named by Web of Science as one of the world's most influential researchers of the past decade in 2019 and 2020. With all that said, it is of course an absolute honour to have created this conversation with her, and to now be sharing it with you! You can follow Karen and find out more about her work here; https://www.youmattermorethanyouthink.com/ https://www.cchange.no/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/cchange-transformation/ Follow Tim & join the Better World Leaders community here; https://www.linkedin.com/in/timcollings/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/better-world-leaders/