This conversation was recorded face to face, in fact almost toe to toe, with Samantha Slade whilst she was in Australia in early 2023. In the days and weeks before we spoke for the Better World Leaders microphone, we had hosted an Art of Hosting training together along with fellows from Campfire Co-op (more on Campfire in the next episode) and I had also participated in a Going Horizontal workshop led by Samantha and one of her Percolab colleagues, co-hosted with Campfire. I share that context upfront, as it's not often that I'm conversing with someone with whom I have been so entangled so recently and deeply as we create a conversation together, and it was so wonderful to do so with Samantha. Samantha is co-Owner & co-Director of Percolab, a network of living labs which develop new ways of learning, working and governing. Samantha is the author of Going Horizontal, an incredibly abundant collection of practices and practical approaches to bringing living systems frameworks into ways of organising at work. She's also to creator of "Listen For', a wonderful game of connection, deep listening and exploring bias through through the medium of collective story sharing. I've been a fan of 'Go-Ho' since it's release and have played and led Listen For games in multiple countries and can personally speak to both my own benefit, and that of teams and whole organisations from both of these sources based on my own direct experience. If you're based in Australia, you can attend the next Australian-based Going Horizontal training in November, see details via link below; https://www.campfire.coop/gohocanberra23 Samantha and I both hope you enjoy the discussion co-created here, and invite you to follow the links below to explore this work for yourself... Follow Samantha & engage with her work here... LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/samanthaslade/ Percolab - https://www.percolab.com/ Follow Tim and engage with the Better World Leaders community here; LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/timcollings/ BWL on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/better-world-leaders/   Thank you as always for your time and attention. I'm looking forward to bringing you more episodes very soon.