Amelia and Kirk chat with Dr. Mark Kuczewski, Professor of Medical Ethics at Loyola University, Chicago. In this episode, they discuss his recent article https://www.healthaffairs.org/content/forefront/nonprofit-health-care-behaves-badly-case-mission-leaders-ombudsmen in which Dr. Kuczewski elucidates the challenges nonprofit healthcare employees face as workplace culture becomes increasingly corporatized and the importance of counterweights– in the form of ombudsmen, better-designed incentive structures, and virtuous local board members– who can potentially help promote the nonprofit mission for patients. They also discuss Dr. Kuczewski’s publication on organizational ethics and the importance of hiring for mission (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6121839_Is_Organizational_Ethics_the_Remedy_for_Failure_to_Thrive_Toward_an_Understanding_of_Mission_Leadership). Dr. Kuczewski describes the “patchwork” of healthcare available to undocumented immigrants and the need to sever the tie between immigration status and healthcare access and talks about his work with Loyola University Chicago Stritch School of Medicine to accept DACA recipients into its program. Dr. Kuczewski is the Father Michael I. English S.J. Professor of Medical Ethics at Loyola University, Chicago, the director of the Neiswanger Institute for Bioethics and Health Policy, and a Fellow of the Hastings Center. His current interests include the bioethical issues related to immigration. He served as the project manager of the Loyola University Chicago Stritch School of Medicine effort to include Dreamers in medical education, wherein Stritch became the first medical school in the nation to welcome applications from Dreamers of DACA status. https://www.luc.edu/stritch/bioethics/aboutus/facultydirectory/profiles/kuczewskimark.shtml