This year, the topics of de-escalation training, preventative measures, and institutional reconstruction are highly relevant in the world of law enforcement. There is no magical “de-escalation pixie dust” that can be sprinkled on individuals in crisis to calm them down. De-escalation is a desired outcome; it is a result. It is not a specific technique or tactic. De-escalation cannot be measured solely on whether an officer did or did not use force. There are times when the application of reasonable force is the only way to “de-escalate” a situation. On this episode of the Blue View Podcast, National President Patrick Yoes sits down with John Bostain. John is the President of Command Presence Training. He has committed the last 26 years to law enforcement, 24 of which have been as a trainer. He has trained more than 25,000 law enforcement professionals at the state, local, federal, and international levels and is a frequent speaker at national law enforcement conferences. He is also the recipient of the 2021 ILEETA Trainer of the Year award. John shares his experience as an award-winning law enforcement trainer, investigator, and detective.