Ellie and Scott are joined by actors, playwrights, and co-founders of Mischief Theatre, Henry Lewis and Jonathan Sayer. They discuss their love of the Dunning-Kruger Effect! We learn all about the four stages of knowledge, Scott’s distrust of snobby wine culture, and America's favorite New York pizza joint. Plus, Scott shares with Ellie his love of loading the dishwasher. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.