In this conversation, Jim Oliver and Nick Kosko discuss one of the most foundational elements  of financial freedom and infinite banking. They go deep into explaining the volume of interest paid over the lifetime of a loan, rather than just focusing on interest rates.  They explain how volume of interest works, how financial institutions benefit from the volume of interest and how individuals can take control of this situation and reclaim lost money they pay to the banks.  3 Key Takeaways: Understanding Interest: Financial institutions focus on interest rates to distract from the more significant factor—the volume of interest paid over the lifetime of a loan. Banking Strategies: Banks use sophisticated strategies, such as refinancing offers, to maximize their profits, often at the expense of borrowers. Financial Freedom: Becoming your own banker is crucial for escaping financial slavery and achieving true wealth, which is defined by freedom and control rather than just money. By understanding and applying these principles, you can regain control over your financial future and break free from the system that keeps many people in financial bondage.