Note: Shopify is a sponsor of This is HCD. This conversation was unscripted and relatively unedited but we wanted to flag this to our listeners. Next month, marks This is HCD’s 5th anniversary. If you’ve found this network useful to you over the last 5-years, and want to help me and the team at This is HCD you can do two things. If you haven’t already done it, sign up to our newsletter on This is HCD, where you get fortnightly content about all that is going on in the world of This is HCD. Also if you LOVE what we do, leave a rating for the podcast - this helps us out enormously and helps others find the podcast too. Where? Well, anywhere but leaving it on Apple Podcasts or Google Podcasts are probably two of the most important channels for us. In this episode i speak with Lola Oyelayo-Pearson from Shopify. Lola of a Director of UX, Money and we chat about what this actually means.  We speak about the mission at Shopify to remain independent, and supporting entrepreneurship globally by making it easier to sell and creating a support network for their merchants. What really interested me, was the points about how Shopify makes money, and also not they share the risk in opening up available funds to enable businesses to succeed. That's a huge statement right there - and I can't think of many businesses who can walk the walk - many as you know talk the talk very well.  We chat about what money means - and it's not just a system to enable a transactional relationship - it's visceral. It's real. It can empower. It can destroy. I was keen to hear their thoughts on how the western driven perspective of money could translate to markets in say, Africa and what that might look like.  Lola rocks and I know you'll enjoy the chat. shopify.com/careers/ux ux.shopify.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.