Jesse Mayer has been clean and sober for over 20 years. As a drummer, he has been part of the Boston music scene for four decades and has been part of countless punk and rock and roll bands. Jesse and Dave have shared a friendship spanning over the last 20 years. Jesse is one of the few people who spent a lot of time with Dave prior to him getting sober. After decades in 12 step communities and doing some trauma related therapy Jesse is now embracing Dharma practice into his life and recovery. I hope you enjoy our conversation. If you would like to join the Buddhist Recovery Online Course click here: https://courses.seculardharmafoundation.com/courses/16/about