Adrian Goldberg discusses Keir Starmer's NHS reforms with Chris Thomas, who heads up the Commission on Health and Prosperity for the IPPR think tank; Dr John Puntis, co chair of the campaign group Keep Our NHS Public, and Matthew Hulbert from Leicestershire who lost his mum to sepsis in 2022 after she had to wait 11 hours for an ambulance. Produced by Adrian Goldberg. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices