This discussion with Jamie Penrith goes deep into the topic of using aversive tools in order to save not only dogs' lives, but also the lives of other animals such as sheep, cattle and more. Are these tools really aversive? Is aversive training or training that causes discomfort to a dog to accomplish something important cruel? We dive deep into this conversations, take on science based lies and mis-information and so much more. The use of e-collars as a viable methodology of training is currently under great attack by a very small but vocal group - the truth of using electronic training collars is one f many key points in this discussion. Please listen and share! This is an awesome chat with a dog trainer from across the pond (in England). A very knowledgeable, talented and witty man that I respect and admire. He has a great organization that I support and hope you will too:  https://JoinArdo.com ARDO's aim is educating the public and keeping dogs safe. A most worthwhile cause. Check out my online dog training here: https://robertcabral.com My online dog trainer course: http://shelterdogtraining.com #doglover #ecollar #dogtraining