In this episode of Capitol Gains, hosts Matt Posner and James McIntyre sit down with University of Wisconsin-Madison Professor Joel Rogers, a leading advocate for high road development. They explore how local governments can foster equitable growth through sustainable infrastructure, workforce development, and democratic participation. Joel shares insights on the challenges cities face when financing resilience projects and how to break down silos between finance, resilience, and other departments to create long-term solutions. You can learn about the EPIC Network here. Listeners will learn about the critical role of local governments in building resilience and tackling issues like state preemption laws that limit municipal action. Whether you're interested in urban governance, climate resilience, or community finance, this episode offers a hopeful vision for the future of local economies and governance. This episode was edited by Adam Linder of Bespoken Podcasting.