Lucy Johnston interviews Toby Green about his revisionist history of the pandemic In this podcast Lucy Johnston, Health Editor of the Sunday Express, interviews Professor Toby Green (CG steering group) about the new book he has coauthored with Thomas Fazi, The Covid Consensus: The Global Assault on Democracy and the Poor -- A Critique from the Left (The Covid Consensus | Hurst Publishers). Their discussion ranges widely, from the causes of the lockdown response and the functioning of the scientific establishment, to the impacts on the Global South and how Green came to write the book. In the final part they discuss the imperative of debate and discussion of what has happened as a key part of the healing process of the traumas of this pandemic.