On this episode of Chasing Leviathan, PJ and Ibe Liebenberg discuss the role of poetry in processing and expressing trauma. Ibe shares how his work as both a firefighter and lecturer at Chico State University inform his creative process. The conversation highlights the power of poetry in addressing societal issues and the importance of finding a supportive community for creative expression. For a more on Ibe Liebenberg and his work, see 👉 https://www.ibeliebenbergcom.wordpress.com Also make sure to check out Ibe’s poetry on The Three Penny Review:PTSD 👉 https://www.threepennyreview.com/ptsd/Why I Love Lame Excuses from College Freshmen 👉 https://www.threepennyreview.com/why-i-love-lame-excusesfrom-college-freshmen/The Felon, the Hob, and their Child 👉 https://www.threepennyreview.com/the-felon-the-hobo-and-their-child/ Check out our blog on www.candidgoatproductions.com Who thinks that they can subdue Leviathan? Strength resides in its neck; dismay goes before it. When it rises up, the mighty are terrified. Nothing on earth is its equal. It is without fear. It looks down on all who are haughty; it is king over all who are proud.  These words inspired PJ Wehry to create Chasing Leviathan. Chasing Leviathan was born out of two ideals: that truth is worth pursuing but will never be subjugated, and the discipline of listening is one of the most important habits anyone can develop.  Every episode is a dialogue, a journey into the depths of a meaningful question explored through the lens of personal experience or professional expertise.