In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, host G Mark Hardy invites Scott Russo, a cybersecurity and engineering expert for a deep dive into the creation and maintenance of secure developer training programs. Scott discusses the importance of hands-on engaging training and the intersection of cybersecurity with teaching and mentorship. Scott shares his experiences building a secure developer training program, emphasizing the importance of gamification, tiered training, showmanship, and real-world examples to foster engagement and efficient learning. Note this episode will continue in with a part two in the next episode ISACA Event (10 Jan 2024) With G Mark Hardy - https://www.cisotradecraft.com/isaca Scott Russo - https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-russo/ HBR Balanced Scorecard - https://hbr.org/1992/01/the-balanced-scorecard-measures-that-drive-performance-2 Transcripts - https://docs.google.com/document/d/124IqIzBnG3tPj64O2mZeO-IDTx9wIIxJ Youtube - https://youtu.be/NkrtTncAuBA  Chapters 00:00 Introduction 03:00 Overview of Secure Developer Training Program 04:46 Motivation Behind Creating the Training Program 06:03 Objectives of the Secure Developer Training Program 07:45 Defining the Term 'Secure Developer' 14:49 Keeping the Training Program Current and Engaging 21:10 Real World Impact of the Training Program 21:46 Understanding the Cybersecurity Budget Argument 21:58 Incorporating Real World Examples into Training 22:26 Personal Experiences and Stories in Training 24:06 Industry Best Practices and Standards 24:18 Aligning with OWASP Top 10 25:53 Balancing OWASP Top 10 with Other Standards 26:12 The Importance of Good Stories in Training 26:32 Duration of the Training Program 28:37 Resources Required for the Training Program 32:23 Measuring the Effectiveness of the Training Program 36:07 Gamification and Certifications in Training 38:56 Tailoring Training to Different Levels of Experience 41:03 Conclusion and Final Thoughts