This episode of CISO Tradecraft, hosted by G Mark Hardy, features special guest Debbie Gordon. The discussion focuses on the critical role of Security Operations Centers (SOCs) in an organization's cybersecurity efforts, emphasizing the importance of personnel, skill development, and maintaining a high-performing team. It covers the essential aspects of building and managing a successful SOC, from hiring and retaining skilled incident responders to measuring their performance and productivity. The conversation also explores the benefits of simulation-based training with CloudRange Cyber, highlighting how such training can improve job satisfaction, reduce incident response times, and help organizations meet regulatory requirements. Through this in-depth discussion, listeners gain insights into best practices for enhancing their organization's cybersecurity posture and developing key skill sets to defend against evolving cyber threats. Cloud Range Cyber: https://www.cloudrangecyber.com/ Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18ILhpOgHIFokMrkDAYaIEHK-f9hoy63u  Chapters 00:00 Introduction 01:04 The Indispensable Role of Security Operations Centers (SOCs) 02:07 Building an Effective SOC: Starting with People 03:04 Measuring Productivity and Performance in Your SOC 05:36 The Importance of Continuous Training and Simulation in Cybersecurity 09:00 Debbie Gordon on the Evolution of Cyber Training 11:54 Developing Cybersecurity Talent: The Importance of Simulation Training 14:46 The Critical Role of People in Cybersecurity 21:57 The Impact of Regulations on Cybersecurity Practices 24:36 The Importance of Proactive Cybersecurity Training 26:26 Redefining Cybersecurity Roles and Training Approaches 30:08 Leveraging Cyber Ranges for Real-World Cybersecurity Training 36:03 Evaluating and Enhancing Cybersecurity Skills and Team Dynamics 37:49 Maximizing Cybersecurity Training ROI and Employee Engagement 41:40 Exploring CloudRange Cyber's Training Solutions 43:28 Conclusion: The Future of Cybersecurity Training