This summer, we ventured out of the safe and sound surroundings of the CISPA offices and accompanied our researchers to their most important science events: conferences! At the end of July, we went to Vienna to attend the International Conference on Machine Learning. And with the hallway and the conversations there being the most important part of a conference anyway, we sat down there with our researchers during a coffee break to talk about their research and the latest in machine learning. In this episode, we talk to Krikamol Muandet, who joined CISPA in 2022 and leads the Rational Intelligence Lab. His focus is on making AI truly intelligent – not just behaving like it is.