An interview with Erica Gies, author of "Water Always Wins" and writer for New York Times, National Geographic, Scientific American and Nature. She discusses how our current 'grey infrastructure' solutions to floods and droughts, may cause more problems than they solve. Instead she proposes 'green infrastructure', nature-based solutions. She discusses the importance of not destroying the natural ability of the landscape to hold moisture, in order not to increase possibility of wildfires. For more info and newsletter climatewaterproject.substack.com