Would you say that Ukraine is one of the most digitalized countries in Europe? No? Then it would be best if you listened to this episode. We had the unique opportunity to interview Mstyslav Banik, The Director of eServices at the Ministry of Digital Transformation of Ukraine. You'll learn how Ukraine got started with digitization. What happens when another country invades your country? And what needs to be done from the point of view of the Ministry of Digital Transformation of Ukraine? Štěpán Kaiser asked how they dealt with this situation from the technology point of view and how important is the "state in the smartphone" when a country is attacked.