The FinOps Foundation defines FinOps as "an operational framework and cultural practice which maximizes the business value of cloud, enables timely data-driven decision making, and creates financial accountability through collaboration between engineering, finance, and business teams."  Sounds good! So why are many organisations still not doing it well? This week Dave, Sjoukje, and Rob talk to Kunal Agarwal, CEO and Co-founder, Unravel Data on the requirement for finops, what is it and why do you need it, if the Finance Depts are getting involved, what good practices looking, how 'inform, govern, optimise' fit in and why you should measure everything! TLDR:01:03 Why do people still use weak passwords?06:20 Cloud conversation with Kunal Agarwal32:34 Top Cyber Trends 202437:20 Cars, cars, cars! GuestKunal Agarwal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kunalkunal/ HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/