[AAA] In 'Access All Areas' shows we go behind the scenes with the crew and their friends as they try to unpick some issue or other.  It might get a bit messy. This week, sometimes ‘big rocks’ exist in organizations and transformations that prevent or slow down getting to successful outcomes.  Dave, Esmee and Rob are joined by, Georgia Smith, Cloud Transformation Leader, to talk about the ‘big rocks’ visible in Cloud transformations, focusing on culture and governance, including the glorious messiness of cultural change, the ineffectiveness of bottom up change management, how to create effective adaptive governance during transformation and the importance of spa days. Please get in touch with us, via LinkedIn or [email protected], if you have questions or challenges for us, we'd love to hear from you!   TLDR 00:38 Its a new show variant! 01:12 Cloud conversation  49:02 What are the crew excited about doing next? Useful linksPodcast Cloud Dialogues: https://www.youtube.com/@CloudDialogues Hosts Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/ Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/with Georgia Smith: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-l-smith/ ProductionMarcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ Sound Ben Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/ Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini