In this episode of Conservation Conversations, Sean sits down with Margaret O'Gorman, President of the Wildlife Habitat Council (WHC), which supports companies in developing and achieving goals around protecting biodiversity. During the conversation, Sean and Margaret discuss the recent framing shift from environmental health and safety to the environmental, social, and governance, tackle the issue of 'greenwashing,' and share predictions for the upcoming UN Biodiversity Conference (COP 15). Sean and Margaret also bond over their love of New Jersey pine barrens.