In this episode I visit with Wayne Heins of Grace Untied Urban Ministries (G.U.U.M.) and the work they do with the homeless in Oklahoma City.  We also talk about how at a very young age he was thrust into adulthood and how that has shaped who he is today and what drives him. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/conversationswithjgriffin/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/conversationswithjgriffin/support