With a Sydney dominated by sly grog , street gangs, and the nation's security services infiltrated by soviet spies, the reality of Australia's 'patriotic' response to World War Two doesn't match the war memorial view. Authors Michael Duffy and Nick Hordern have delved into the truth of our war effort in their new non-fiction work World War Noir, a follow up to the highly regarded Sydney Noir. In conversation, Nick Hordern discusses the influence and importance of the many criminals and spies who helped determine Australia's response to the war with Germany, and to reiterate the need for a nation not to shy away from its more human, if somewhat darker past.