They're back – and this time they've drunk more coffee. Stuff senior journalist Andrea Vance joins us to break down the Newshub leaders debate. And National’s finance spokesman Paul Goldsmith gives us a frank interview about the origin of the fiscal flaw which has overshadowed National’s campaign, why he got into politics in the first place, and why urinals really are a good place to seek career advice. Links: Click here for every episode of the Tick. Tick. podcast. Full Stuff election coverage Eugene on Twitter; Adam on Twitter Support Stuff Our email: [email protected]