Pete and Gideon talk to former Australian opening bowler turned Sydney Thunder boss Trent Copeland about cricket with red and white balls, on pathways and off, and whether his improbable career would be possible now. Also takeaways from the Australia-England ODIs, the India-Bangladesh Tests, the BCCI annual meeting, plus a look forward at the women's T20 World Cup. Join Cricket Et Al on Substack See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.