Another day, another breach. Organisations are still being hacked by malicious counterparts everyday, and the reason they're always a step ahead is not only gender diversity but a skills diversity as well - meanwhile we're still relying on our IT departments to handle cyber breaches that they simply weren't trained for. Ex-Hacker and Co-founder of CTRL Group Bastien Treptel is joined by Educational Psychologist and Cyber Security expert Jo Stewart-Rattray, to discuss the psychology behind hackers.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.