Joe Hollier is the co-founder of The Light Phone, an anti-smartphone “designed to be used as little as possible.” We talk taking inspo from Brian Eno, recalibrating our attention spans, how you gonna be mad on vacation, bible belt families, avoiding the word “addiction,” don’t overthink the research process, and building a more honest tech company. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.