In episode 9 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Elisabeth Braw, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), where she focuses on defence against emerging national security challenges, such as hybrid and grey zone threats. They discuss the Russian invasion of Ukraine, how it was planned, and what may happen next. For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive