In episode 13 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to the former Defence Secretary of the United States, Leon Panetta, who also served as the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in President Barack Obama’s administration. They discuss Russia’s aggression towards Ukraine, building global security alliances to strengthen democracies, and how the threat of transnational terrorism has not gone away. For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive