We discussed philosophy and how the process of exploring certain topics affects your understanding of them, which lead us to talk about the nature of rabbit holes, and that behind an apparent endless network of things there is a tacit structure that acts as an attractor.  We discuss the relationship between our identity and our social tissue and the social dissonance that creates social media. Then we move on to the subject of how many discussions (in design) remain on surface-level things (tools, methods, etc.), and why we need to dive into the underlying concepts & models. We make some comparisons between the fact that you can't understand what causes a trend to happen by studying the trend itself (you need to side-step), like copying a certain style does not provide you with knowledge of the contextual reason for this style to exist.  And many more things about decision-making, handling difficult discussions, knowing how and when to debate, and “steel manning” an opposite position.