In this episode Liam speaks with Cameron Koczon, a Partner at Fictive Kin, a New York-based design and engineering studio whose unique approach to product development starts with “a Seinfeld” - an app that does nothing. In the interview, Liam and Cameron explore what it means to own content online, the difficulties of learning product design, and how designers can change the world by focusing on the impact of their work. Show notes 👉 https://design.google/podcasts