In this episode, Chris Harbert interviews Steve Upton, a principal QA consultant for ThoughtWorks, about his journey into software testing and his role as a QA consultant. They discuss the importance of shared responsibility for quality and the need for everyone in the team to participate in testing. Steve emphasizes the value of taking ownership and driving change, as well as the importance of experience and breadth of knowledge in the field. They also explore the role of metrics in measuring quality and the challenges of balancing metrics with user needs. The conversation concludes with advice for individuals looking to transition into consulting and the future of career paths in quality engineering. Developers Who Test Podcast⁠ Steve Upton on LinkedIn Chris Harbert on ⁠LinkedIn⁠ Sponsored by ⁠Testery --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/testery-inc/message