In this episode, we feature a special guest who did not contribute to the book, Need to Know: Paul Young. Well-known as the author of The Shack, Eve, and other books, Paul has always impressed me as someone who truly values and elevates women. We discuss the power of storytelling, the role of women in the church, and the importance of truth-telling for pastors. Paul shares his powerful personal story detailing how women were safer figures for him than men, the impact of early childhood trauma on his faith, and the need for authenticity in leadership. We also explore metaphors for God and the rehabilitation of Eve’s reputation in the Biblical narrative. Show Notes Link to order the book: Need to Know: Empowering Female Leadership and Why It’s Essential for the Future of the Church keywords Need to Know, Paul Young, The Shack, Eve, women in the church, storytelling, trauma, faith, authenticity, theology, redemption takeaways * Women play a crucial role in the future of the church. * Trauma can significantly impact one's faith and identity. * Authenticity in leadership is essential for church growth. * Truth-telling is vital for pastors to foster genuine connections. * The metaphors we use for God shape our understanding of God. * Eve's story highlights the need for women's empowerment. * Healing and restoration are necessary for personal and communal growth. * Community and connection are vital for overcoming trauma. * Men must become allies in the movement for women's flourishing in the church. Sound Bites * "The unexposed is the unhealed." Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background 03:23 The Power of Fiction and Storytelling 07:35 Encountering God Outside of Traditional Beliefs 09:57 Questioning Assumptions and Theology 13:46 The Impact of The Shack and Authenticity in Art 18:49 Healing and Personal Growth as a Foundation for Writing 20:27 Navigating Success and Criticism 27:32 Exploring Women's Stories and Challenging Traditional Beliefs 28:30 The Power of Metaphors in Shaping Our Understanding of God 31:47 Challenging Gender and Racial Stereotypes in 'The Shack' 37:02 Confronting Brokenness and Embracing Love and Humility 38:11 Addressing the Damage of Abuse and Creating a Healthier Church 45:34 Advice for Male Pastors: Truth-Telling, Challenging Doctrines, and Prioritizing Love 51:44 A word to the perpetrators Get full access to Right Side Up: Danielle Strickland at daniellestrickland.substack.com/subscribe